There’s this new sort of entitlement that the internet has really popularized, but which has always existed that drives me absolutely nuts. It’s the old “well, you can’t talk shit about something unless you can do it better” argument. It’s a bad, bad argument, for one thing, and for another thing, it’s often applied in completely inappropriate or subjective situations, which, let’s get down to brass tacks, completely ruins the credibility of the already douchey champion of said argument, don’t it? Let’s expand.
Today, I was riding my bike back from the gym and I got that REM song, I believe the title is “pop song 89” stuck in my head. The chorus is “should we talk about the weather? Should we talk about the government?” and I was thinking about how these are two perfectly good topics of conversation, and the first one is particularly poignant if you live in Chicago or some other such place where the weather completely effects the entire lifestyle of the city. I was also thinking that in his snide way, with these lyrics, Michael Stipe is probably going for ‘ethereal and parodic by way of Dadaist,’ but he’s really pulling off more of a ‘condescending prick’ thing. THEN I started thinking about how revered REM is, and how much I think they absolutely suck the balls. SO, then I decided I’d make a list on here today about things that people love that I can’t stand, which led almost immediately to my imagining some comments somewhere on the internet (not here in the Drawer, my Dogs, but elsewhere, outside the solace of BSC and the Sock Drawer) that would say, in essence “this guy is a dippshit(sic). When he can write a record as good as Green, then he can talk. Til then, stick to felching and being a bartender. What a self important dickholle(sic)” and shit like that.
Now, here’s where my original point comes in. Firstly, no. I do NOT have to make an album as good as Green to have an opinion on REM. By that logic, unless YOU’VE also made an album as good as Green, your accolades are as equally worthless as my bile. I can’t make beer, and despite the fact that if I tried, my first batch would probably be worse than MGD, I can say with certainty that MGD is a terrible beer. I don’t know how to perform plastic surgery, but I’m comfortable saying that the guy who performed it on Kanye’s mom was bad at it.
So, that’s settled, right? You don’t have to be able to do something better than someone in order to criticize them. Talent and criticism are two different words for a reason. They denote different things. Dumb-dumbs.
Secondly, I DID write a better record than Green, okay. Maybe you don’t think so, but I do, and since I’m the one passing all the judgment on REM, I’m gonna err on the side of my opinion.
This is what I’m talking about. There’s no empirical way to measure an album’s quality. If there was then the Monkees would be better than Jimi Hendrix and Doolittle would be a smear of shit compared to “Genie in a Bottle,” so when you give your two cents in a “his band blows compared to that band so he’s got no room to talk” way, you’re kind of negating your own argument right there. If opinion is what makes this little equation work, then it’s (in this case) mine vs. REMrulz1982 (moderator), and that, under the first law of argumentative mathematics, cancels out either opinion. Now, sure, there are more REM fans out there than fans of any of my bands, but hey, let’s look at the quality of them, shall we? Dildos, every single last one of both groups is nothing but a pile of simpering dildos, so who cares what any of you think, right?
Ah, come on, man, I’m kidding. You guys are okay. You’re my little dogs of war and I love you for it. Let’s see, just for that I’ll see if I can list things that I don’t like that everyone does. It’s gonna mostly be music, probably.
Nirvana- Eh. Nothing. I mean, whatever. Good on ‘em. I just don’t care.
Similarly…
Pixies- Yeah. Again, boring to me. I realize these two are intertwined and that most of us only know about the pixies one way or another through Kurt Cobain’s recommendation, so let’s just say the whole style kind of leaves me cold, eh? I LOVE frank Black’s solo stuff though. I think Show Me Your Tears is one of the greatest albums of the last ten years.
Cake- Not the band, the desert (though the band’s not exactly rocking my world either). Not a fan. I mean, in a pinch, I’ll eat a little cake, like if I’m in france and they’re out of bread, but as a general rule, nah. I’ll pass. Give my piece to Milton.
REM-Yup. Already did this one. They gross me out.
Velvet- It hurts my teeth. It’s some strange nerve memory hallucination thing between my fingertips and my teeth, and EEEEW. I can’t stand being around velvety things. I don’t know how else to say it. The shit hurts me teeth. I know this sounds strange. You gotta trust me.
Mint chip- any chocolate and mint combo is gross to me. I know that like everything else on this list I’m in the minority, but just saying. That shit has no business being combined.
Similarly:
Oranges and apples and strawberries and shit in salads- dude, really? You’re bumming me out with those little mandarin orange slices in there. It’s gnarly. And hey, I’m not one to blanketly diss combining sweet and savory. I LOVE peanut butter on a bacon cheeseburger, but fruit on a veggie salad? That’s just perverse.
What else? Uh…
Canada- No, I’m kidding. Like everyone else in the world, I have no opinion of Canada.
Jesus- Everyone and their mother loves this fucking guy, which I find to be odd, because (I’ve said this before) filthy hippies don’t really play well in Iowa. What’s so special about this guy? Powerful dad. Way to go sheep. Next thing you know, you’ll actually just refer to yourselves as sheep and call him your shepherd. Well, here’s a little tip: Know what the shepherd does to the sheep up on the hillside on those lonely afternoons? Yeah. He’s doing it to you right now. Mmmmhmmm.
The Doors- Easily the most overrated band of all time. Morrison is the worst ever. I could and probably will dedicate a whole entry to this theory.
Pictures of Boobs- Can’t stand em.
Lists that start out serious and then turn ironic before finishing and then just kind of stop half way through the
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The Doors are without a doubt the most overrated band of all time. Thank you, and please do devote an entry to it. Extra credit if you discuss what's wrong with people who like The Doors, or worse, think Jim Morrison is some kind of rock god.
Word verification is defread. That should be a word. Let's define it today, Socks.
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nirvana and the doors...yeesh.
I agree on most of those. Peanut butter on a bacon cheeseburger sounds like a terrible idea. But the Doors are fucking terrible. As far as deranged acid gurus go, I think I prefer Darby Crash.
I'll bet we share a mutual dislike for more important things, but I got your back on mandarin oranges. My dear grandma Joan would (and continues to) play such bullshit reindeer games with the salad. Mandarin slices and red grapes are her weapons of choice. But Reece's Pieces novelty burgerz?? Sounds like some goofy shit Candice would get down on as she waits in your closet.
Moms and Tom Delonge all have giant clitoris boners for U2 and frankly, I think U2 sucks.
Also, The Beatles, the movie Garden State, ham, mayonnaise, cowboy hats, tuna, Oasis and any college that isn't Penn State.
the doors arent terrible, just terribly overrated ...
kevin B-- im with you 100% -- U2 couldnt be more overrated
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Robb- I'm eating yogurt with reeses pieces as I type! (from inside brendan's closet)
this post gives me Deja vu.
And what's the deal with airline food? It's terrible, and portions are so small!
great ending there, clever....
my list:
1-the beatles
2-cheese
3-hip hop (all kinds of it)
4-gandhi (go buy a shotgun you fucking retard)
5-the beatles (and their stupid drummer)
6-moshy breakdowns
7-metalcore
pd- oh, and the beatles too, specially paul mcartney and his dancing moves.hey paul,i hope a plane crashes in your face.
toto
Robb, said yogurt has spilled all over us. Would you mind?
Peanut butter on burgers is delicious!
My turn!
1) Metallica
2) Steak (even while I wasn't a vegetarian)
3) Twilight
4) Nickelback, 3 Doors Down, Three Days Grace, Saving Abel, Hinder, all of the other bands like them
5) Ska
6) Old Bouncing Souls
7) Cake the food
8) Sweet candy (aside from Starburst and Skittles)
9) Ankle socks
10) Piercings
Please do the Morrison one tommorrow. I can't wait. I hate that horrible sound he and his band makes.
You know, I always thought I was some sort of fucked up because of the way that velvet hurt my teeth, but I feel much better now knowing that at least one other person has the same problem.
frank black is GOD, show me your tears is one of the best ever. i bought it after i heard you switched the baseball game FM shit in "porno" with the verse from "horrible day." i love the pixies, but frank black is legend-bound. he's going to be like tom petty or neil young when he's old as shit, or straight up after he dies.
I'm just going to through this out there but my list, would have The Beatles.
I am Canadian and even I lack an opinion about Canada
Any band that is famous where the lead singer dies too young is bound to be overrated ... Nirvana, The Doors, Janis Joplin, Jimi Hendrix, even Alice In Chains (although they're not on the same over-rated plane as the previous four.
A band that plenty of people often mention as overrated is the Beatles ... and yeah, they're right. The Beatles were a pretty cool group, with pretty cool songs that were fun to sing. They happened to be in the right place at the right time. But they had the right looks, personalities, charisma and whatever other "untangibles" make a band rise from stardom to super stardom to superduperultramega stardom, as the Beatles clearly did. Of course they're overrated. In a logical, rational sense, no band (no group of humans plucking their fingers or beating sticks and using their vocal chords) should ever warrant the kind of popularity the Beatles went through.
But when John Lennon said that the Beatles were bigger than Jesus ... he was probably right. The Beatles sold somewhere between 600 million and one billion records around the world, and that number will keep rising ... Christianity has about 1.5 billion to 2 billion followers, but that's been around for roughly 2000 years. The Beatles ... since the late 1950s.
Because I'm just foolhardy and vain enough to think strangers on the interweb care, here's a biggie which I detest that, while not embraced by everybody, is by a sufficient number of people that it merits disgust:
The act of 'wearing' shoes (most commonly skate shoes or designer faux-skate shoes) such that the laces are untied and the tongues popped up as vertical as possible. The designer jeans are proudly tucked back behind the front of the shoe to maximize exposure, as though it somehow isn't on par with exposing one's distended asshole at your niece's birthday party. This trend is cyclical, but there seems to be a recent resurgence. Tie your fucking shoes, Corey. That just sounds like the name of a kid who would do that, doesn't it?
Refer to the 2:40 mark of this David Cross interview for a superb example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhqcIdXg5Sc
Thanks! Most cathartic.
Oh, and "Cocktails and Dreams" is better than anything REM, U2, or The Doors ever recorded, by an order of magnitude.
My best argument ever.
Friend - "How do you not like the Doors? They're THE DOORS."
Jim - "I don't care if they're the fucking "Stairs" they blow."
I feel like both comments showed the same amount of intelligence and therefore it worked. We were at a pool hall, hammered and everyone around me laughed, so that means I won, right!
I leave the original drawer for a few weeks to come back and find there's an account for Candice's breasts? Speechless.
And Toto, I think your opinion on cheese and metalcore is dumb and I'm going to choose to shun you for it. Forever. Nice knowing you.
Sickie, we just became too big to be contained. It was time to pop out and make our presence known.
Well, Toto knows awesome obscure esoteric tidbits like what film Ian Curtis was allegedly watching on the night of his suicide. This makes him fucking cool regardless of his views on cheese (wtf, Toto?) and metalcore (agreed, Toto!).
Robb, just wanted you to know you're a firm #2 behind BK
"A pile of simpering dildos" is a great line, kudos to you.
I think its obvious The Beatles are overrated, but if you look at songwriting of any memorable bands before and after them, you have to acknowledge that they had a huge impact on music, and it was more than being at the right place at the right time. That said, I own no Beatles music and I never intend on doing so.
umm those aren't even my breasts in that picture! wtf?!?
and that profile you made up is just ridiculous. my breasts are so whacky.
you forgot bk's sweat as one of my interests though. update.
p.s. cheese is COMPLETELY overrated. I cant stand how people talk about the stuff and get all starry eyed. I just had some mud butt from some terrible cheese sticks, and it was far from a pleasant experience.......in case you were wondering.
Updated.
Breasts - I told you to find employment, fill a bathtub with off-brand snacks, and stare at it like you can't even believe that shit. Have you followed through? No. Dead to me.
Panera
Blogs
PF Chang's
Google
The Food Network
Having an opinion on the Chicago Cubs
Budweiser
Fantasy Sports
Poker
hate away:
the ramones
/list
Pete's list = small man crush.
Hating Ramones is kind of cool and justified, unlike hating Clash which is just perverse.
How about Hold Steady? Cheap Girls do it better
we have lots of "coreys" here, they listen to techno ,wear colorful t-shirts and wear big fancy glasses, and don't get me started on the shoes....god...
and sickie c'mon....metalcore? really? i like botch and cave in, is that even metalcore? is metalcore a good label? is metalcore better label than "screamo"? is metalcore more "core" than hardcore? are tight pants and white belts metalcore clothes? would john "retarded hippie" lennon approve the term metalcore? is it dangerous to write metalcore so many times?
pd - cheese isn't that bad.
pd2 - metalcore?
i thought you guys recorded five songs and yet fat's site says only 4. what's the deal? compilation track or something?
Yo,
I know exactly what you're talking about with the velvet teeth thing. EXACTLY. I've never been able to describe it, but that's it. Also really squeaky glass does it to me.
i don't really know what bands are classified as "metalcore," but i do enjoy music in that general area. heavy music? break downs? i'm down with that. :)
and as far as the beatles go, i don't deny their musical significance, and i'm not saying they weren't influential, but it's just not my taste.
Why is everyone hatin' on the Beatles down here in the drawer?
..."Cheap Girls do it better"
Robb, with one comment you managed to lose all inconsequential internet respect I ever had for you. The Cheap Girls are EXTREMELY overrated, and have never written anything near the genius that was "Boys and Girls in America." In fact, the only memorable song to come from them is "Stop Now..." which happens to be an excellent jam. But I digress...
on to my self-indulgent list:
~Tuna Fish (Hands down most vile shit known to man... I'd rather swallow a tube of Anthrax then have my breath smell like a fermenting vagina rotting on a fetid landfill)
~ Jesus (...Santa Claus was bad enough)
~Money (Everyone loves it... yet it seems to be the catalyst for almost all problems)
~Twitter (no explanation needed really... the fact that people are so lonely and hallow they feel the need to divulge their every feeling once every hour is just pathetic)
~Led Zepplin (SUCK DICK!)
~Led Zepplin Fans (SUCK DICK!)
... and finally Bad Religion (Sure, Greg Graffin rivals Chris Hannah for most intellectually stimulating lyricist in the respected genre, but for a person to be able to muster 30+ minutes of every song on every record sounding exactly the same is just unbearable.)
Yeah, because it's always 'Find Me A Drink Home' which you hear self-aggrandizing hipster dildos spouting the endless praises of like a choir of emaciated chain-smoking peacocks, rather than Separation Sunday or Boys and Girls Are So Sad Together in USA. Oh, wait. Perhaps you could explain the 'impenetrable brilliance' of BIGIA, which I see as nothing more than a solid, albeit unremarkable, record.
But hey, I guess that's ok, because you know who else I find overrated? Your "favs" P.T. Anderson. Magnolia? Really? What did PTA really accomplish there, aside from revealing his throbbing Robert Altman hard-on and upping the ante from dubious-but-at-least-semi-plausible natural climactic natural event (earthquake) to the outright retarded (frog storm)? What was truly remarkable about Boogie Nights, Wahlburg's prosthetic cock aside? There Will Be Blood? Hey, let's rip all the main themes (and the opening scene) from Nicholas Roeg's little-seen "Eureka"--because only 6 people will notice--and throw in a whole lotta' Kubrick. Yaayy! DDL and Johnny Greenwood's score carry that shit.
...and yeah, I know...Upton Sinclair's 'Oil'. It's obvious he watched Eureka once or twenty times as well.
HEY POOPHEAD ROBB... LETS SEE YOU MAKE SOMETHING BETTER!!! HUH!!??!!!
because of the metric system, all of the guitars in canada go to 11.
Ok that's not even remotely true, but I thought it was kinda funny.
I'm actually hard at work on my destined-for-accolades screenplay "Little Tommy Finds His Juice" the touching and heart-warming tale of otherwise-unremarkable twelve year old whom discovers that he has "a super-duper special talent at which he and only he is the best." You'll love it.
(hilArious reference to the comments section of 'This Aggression Will Not Stand')
drew- i am TOTALLY with you on the tuna fish. shit fucking makes me wanna puke. just the sight of it.
I am amazed that someone put in Bouncing Souls. Sure they use the same 3 chords, but come on, it is the Bouncing Souls. I don't know, maybe I have an outstanding love of them being from New York and seeing them since I was a wee little punk rocker. And what is up with the hate on Cake?! There are so many types of cake, you guys can't find ONE that you like? Come on folks, lets get real, dessert rules.
Everything here makes me RAGE! Haha
Hey drew,did you call spaghetti pussssghetti until you were 9 and a half years old?You just kinda put out that vibe,ya know?Don't answer that.
yeah definitely do an entry on The Doors..people need to realize why they suck so much..i'm sick of hearing how much of a genius Jim Morrison was..cause he wasn't..
...Robb, Simon Birch beat you to it sucka!
Jbaby (cool high school varsity soccer moniker BRAH!):
...you're definitely a Led Zepplin fan aren't you?
Fuck. Thank the Gods that I'm not alone in my opinion that MGD is terrible. Hailing from Canada the land of beer MGD is held up like its some kind of.... good beer. Fuck that noise.
zepplin suck...?sacrilege!What next,jam bands play extraneously long tunes and their fans smell funny?But hey hippie chicks are easy!!!right?eh,ehhhh....
Brendan, I just found this:
http://buzz.blogger.com/2009/09/turn-your-blog-into-book-with.html
Turn your blog into a book. I'd pay for a hard copy and then maybe it will get your other book published and I'd buy that too.
Silly Drew! It was a reference to your compelling theory that (paraphrasing) "Evewwybody has a latent talent which, once unleashed, will ravage the competition and provide unbridled fame, happiness, and deviant sex--with the help of three hidden level 6 power crystals."
...which may or may not have axed any respect I had for you way before my opinion of Hold Steady branded me a fool in your eyes.
I would very much like to add Seinfeld to this list, much to chagrin of probably everyone.
This is the best entry ever.
Heh. Word verification: dissi
let me sleep all night in your soul kitchen...
I hate the history of anything. I hate when, in an argument, people resort to history rather than logic. And i don't mean resorting to history in a logic, rational way cause that never happens.
I don't like people making a big fuss about them (re)discovering obscure(or the exact opposite, huge) bands from the 70's, 80's or the early 90's, sheesh.
...So i decided to delete my last comment, cause I realized it was cruel, and it is stupid to keep arguing over the internet about petty shit. You don't like PTA or my hope for humanity, and I disagree with your Cheap Girls stance.... and I am content with that.
Though the thought of myself desperately rummaging through the personal "drawer" of "this diabolically adept wordsmith" for "some dirt to tackle" surely tickles your fancy, I'm afraid you can't give yourself quite that much credit. See, as I'd wager is the case with most here, I've checked out the profile of most anyone to have said something to have caught my interest. (Kyle Wagoner--funniest 17/18 yr old I've encountered anywhere in awhile; that Pete guy; Kevin Barnett; Toto; Banana@1,000mph; that guy who first mentioned David Cross' book; and most every female on here are a few examples). In your case, it was directly after, "Everyone offers somthing special that nobody else can imitate...". Unfortunately, in your case, my curiosity didn't arise in so much of a "hey, I like what this guy/gal has to say" way, as it did in a "Jesus fucking christ--is this guy seriously?? sort of way. So yeah, PT Anderson stuck with me. But like stray dog shit might on a sweltering afternoon.
Awww, and how long did we spend on "perfect-skill-to-imbeau-within-lil'-Tommy-as-suggested-fictional-aspect-of-Wobb's-sad-sad-childhood"? Random-or-dubiously-motivated act of horrible violence is so "Rob Zombie's Halloween". "Only 12 year old with gumption to sell kid sister's ass for McDonald's money while mom gets her kicks with the needle" would have been way edgier.
And lastly, you're wrong--it's slightly embittered writer whom hasn't caught a break, but worthy appraisal.
Knock it off children
...Awww; cheater-cheater! Well, I'll choose to just keep what I've written here. As sort of a shameful reminder of how "cool" internet zing-fests can truly be.
ya i just felt like it was bringing a bad vibe to an awesome thing.
but... ya, 'drop internet witty retorts' here__________ are pretty fun I guess.
blllaaaaaaaaaaaah!
It's ok, everyone! Drew and I are just a couple of catty bi-curious magpies whom, after an experimental fling gone sour last summer, have been at each other's throats all over the internet under various pseudonyms. (He took my prized Jawbreaker shirt; I stole his PTA dvd collection I secretly don't hate). Catch more of our antics at the Gamespot forums as 'PS3Warlock' and 'XBoxAcneGuru' or over at the Stormfront micropenis-anxiety-manifested-as-race-superiority-delusion think tank as "TravestyOf1964" and "MasterRaceGenie"! Enjoy!
I am clearly PS3Warlock!!! ...just so it is clear to everyone who the 'pwner' and 'pwnee' are.
REJOICE... the war is over!
See, Brendan? This is what happens without you. We are all your children waiting to suckle on your teet.
I was going to maybe possibly suggest that we try to keep the peace, but with no new entries, I needed the argument to keep going for something to read.
69th comment bitches!
How you like dem distended assholes?
... that is how it goes, right?
On a side note, BK really is spot-on about toilet humor. After a re-watch the other night, I can say "Who Pooped The Bed?" truly is the greatest episode of It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia, by no small margin.
Robb - are you sure you weren't sitting outside my basement window last night and deciding which episode I laughed the hardest at? I don't think it is actually the most consistently funny episode, but it definitely it the best ending.
"Four tuuuurds..(thundercrash)..Five suuuuuspects!..." The opening of that final scene gets me every time.
BK, long time reader, first time commenter - any chance we will see any Larry Arms music videos up for sale on iTunes? It would be sweet if you could ask fat to get those up. As much as I love YouTube, I would love to be able to play your videos on my apple tv.
While you're at it, bug them about putting up the new teenage bottlerocket video too. Skate or Die kicks ass.
Give the dogs of war what they ask for - another way to contribute to your diaper fund.
damn, i'd a gotten in on this but there are way better writers in this motha fucka!
oh fuck, i'm so drunk.it's like 9 am here in this shitty country i live in and i'm listening to banner pilot, and i0m drunk as hell and reading like this 74 comments, is that a record for a BK's post? 74 comments? that's a lot, that's gotta be a record, and mine is 75th, i never read so much like today, maybe because it's hard to read this, i can't really read, in fact,i can't really write, besides this isn't really my native language.and robb's comments made me laugh so fucking much i spilled my beer on hte keyboard,"Little Tommy Finds His Juice" is just epic.
listen to banner pilot, one of the greatest bands ever, and when you are drunk it get even better.i just wanna scream and sing and take a trip to the ocean. it's good ocean music if you know what i mean.i need to go to the beach, i know you don't really care, but i need to see the ocean and listen to some good punk rock song, i'm not asking for much. but i'm a coward and tomorrow i will wake up and i won't go anywherem because i'm a pussy and i can't make a change. what the fuck am i doin here?oh... what the fuck is happening? eh?oh man, i'm so pwasted.i'm going to see a movie just to calm down. hte movie is called "hurlyburly" and it looks like a good movie, it has sean penn in it, and sean penn is good in my book. i even like "the thin red line", that a really good movie even though it's war stuff and patriotic shit at some points, but has some great moments.
aw fuck,gotta get some sleep.see you next time.
toto
i just read my comment up here and it makes no sense at all.
what a loser...
So I'm thinking, the saying "Piss Drunk," where does that come from? I decided to work out my personal hypothesis last night and got completely hammered Hold Steady style. I woke up around 7:15 this morning shivering my face off on the floor because I was soaked to the bone in piss.
Great night. See you fuckers next week. Go Eagles.
Adding my comment to this. Can we hit 100? Who knows!
Ok, I'll say it. I think Rancid is overrated. Big deal...
Also, Nascar, Bull Riding, televised Poker.
All overrated.
Whats that you say? Those things DO suck??? Yes, but the fact that they still have some sort of following, still makes them overrated.
Thanks.
THIS DRAWER IS GETTING WAY OUT OF FUCKING HAND!
>:o
The Doors are just alright. What they do was kind of cool for the time, but it's just not remarkable in any way, positive or negative. REM actually did make a couple of really good albums though. U2 are mediocre. Nirvana was the last time a legitimate band achieved rock-star status, so they're at least remarkable in that aspect, regardless on your feelings about their music (which I personally find really hit-or-miss).
i think we can make it to 100 comments, just find something weird to talk about, like abortion, or rape, or arnold schwarzenegger, or "my girlfriend had a prolapse last night" ,or "i just masturbated to my grandmother's photos" kind of discussion.
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